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[0:00] foreign
[0:03] [Music]
[0:10] and
[0:12] today's host
[0:14] amor.com
[0:16] our very special guest today
[0:19] is Robert Thurman
[0:21] an American Author academic and
[0:24] Unstoppable force of knowledge and
[0:27] compassion I came here to get us turned
[0:30] on to the idea of compassion and and to
[0:34] fortify what little baby Jesus was
[0:37] trying to tell us before the Romans
[0:39] strung him up the New York Times hails
[0:42] him as the leading American expert on
[0:45] Tibetan Buddhism from Buddha's point of
[0:47] view his Discovery is that every
[0:50] sentient being including cockroach
[0:53] is the one
[0:56] they all have the ability to be aware or
[0:58] completely aware of the reality of
[1:00] themselves and their environment Bob was
[1:03] the first Westerner actually to be
[1:06] ordained by his Holiness the Dalai Lama
[1:10] as a monk but he didn't suit him after a
[1:14] few years Bob realized he wasn't meant
[1:15] to be a monk and he came back to America
[1:18] finished his studies and became a
[1:22] professor of indo-tibetan Buddhist
[1:24] studies at Columbia University all I
[1:28] wanted was to get to get to it's right
[1:30] it was really shift and to become fully
[1:32] critical of our own brainwashing of all
[1:35] the things that we wrongly still do
[1:36] believe like that death will just be the
[1:39] end and so that's the last of our
[1:41] problems you know which is a fake puts
[1:43] us into fake recklessness get ready to
[1:46] be blown away into reality
[1:49] Bob welcome
[1:51] and thank you for sharing with us your
[1:54] valuable time today well thank you Emma
[1:57] chat and uh and folks don't take that
[1:59] introduction too seriously I'm just old
[2:03] fogy and uh but I'm very happy to speak
[2:06] to people on these topics and basically
[2:09] because when I speak to others about it
[2:11] then I think about it and then I feel
[2:13] better with the world the way it is once
[2:16] I was able to retire from one of the
[2:18] lead institutions in this culture I'm
[2:21] able to be more openly confrontational
[2:23] toward it and and that I'm sort of not
[2:26] still in the so-called academic thing
[2:30] which has become a kind of
[2:31] rationalization institution of so you
[2:35] know of not listening to the scientists
[2:37] and not really changing our ways and
[2:40] banishing all spirituality you know in
[2:42] this ridiculous fake thing that we do
[2:45] uh which is led by our natural
[2:47] scientists which is one of my main
[2:49] purposes nowadays I should actually
[2:51] write a book only on this I think I will
[2:53] but it's always part of all of my books
[2:55] now but the main thing is
[2:58] we are handing out indulgences to a kind
[3:01] of Heaven to the to everybody
[3:04] making them Reckless and living
[3:06] meaninglessly and recklessly and
[3:07] carelessly by pretending that we know
[3:10] that when they die they're going to be
[3:12] anesthetized pretend that you can nuke
[3:16] somebody and then you just die and
[3:18] you're anesthetized from the
[3:19] consequences of that killing and that is
[3:22] completely fake reassurance since nobody
[3:25] knows actually that nothing awaits you
[3:28] and not only that but it's insane to
[3:30] believe in that because in fact lose
[3:33] flash on amartot's show
[3:37] you heard it here nothing is actually
[3:41] nothing so it's not a dark space you can
[3:44] go and sleep eternally
[3:45] without any bad dreams there was no such
[3:48] thing and there's been no discovery of
[3:50] that no scientist has found it it's not
[3:53] an empirical Discovery because guess
[3:55] what no one has ever discovered nothing
[3:58] it's a word for what you don't discover
[4:01] so if you have a blind faith if that's
[4:03] where you're going
[4:04] is a sign of cultural personal and
[4:07] cultural Insanity well you know I'm I'm
[4:10] caught up in that Insanity I mean I've
[4:12] ever since I was a child I was always
[4:16] fascinated and fixated on thinking about
[4:19] what happens when I die and what I would
[4:22] and and I would try to go into you know
[4:25] at five and eight years old really get
[4:28] into that thing and what all anything I
[4:31] could come up with honestly was
[4:33] nothingness forever nothing else forever
[4:36] you say you came up with it but actually
[4:38] what you did is you you became a a
[4:41] proper card carrying member of a
[4:43] nihilistic Society
[4:46] culture which feels no compunction and
[4:49] is recklessly destroying the entire
[4:51] environment for human beings by thinking
[4:54] that well if everybody dies it's
[4:56] meaningless anyway
[4:57] even being alive is meaningless because
[4:59] there's no Spirit there's no mind
[5:01] there's no soul that's an old
[5:03] Superstition and we we empirical
[5:07] rationalists scientists have discussed
[5:10] and scientifically oriented even
[5:11] humanists is we have discovered that
[5:14] actually nothingness Reigns but in fact
[5:16] we haven't discovered that we only
[5:18] project that
[5:20] self-servingly and actually
[5:22] meaninglessly and insanely since nothing
[5:25] is nothing it's not a dark space
[5:28] in fact what we've learned from falling
[5:31] asleep every night and pseudo dying is
[5:34] that we wake up again in a dream and we
[5:36] wake up again in the morning in the
[5:38] freaking morning but Buddhism hold on
[5:41] now Buddhism believes in reincarnation
[5:44] what what what do we have as proof or
[5:48] how can we do that without being blind
[5:51] belief the proof of it is that you wake
[5:54] up after you fall asleep
[5:57] the proof is not to be proven that there
[6:01] is continuity of experience the proof is
[6:04] anybody who would say that it can become
[6:05] nothing
[6:06] since there is no experience of nothing
[6:08] when you fall asleep in fact you simply
[6:11] follow your experiences going
[6:13] unconscious once you're unconscious
[6:16] there's no sense of time so you have no
[6:18] experience of being unconscious actually
[6:20] so you're therefore not experiencing
[6:22] nothingness you're just deludedly told
[6:24] your experience so that when you wake up
[6:27] you interpret or I was in nothingness
[6:29] how do we know we wake up we have the
[6:32] law of thermodynamics that energy is
[6:34] never destroyed it only changes shape or
[6:37] dissipates so our energy of being a live
[6:40] being will continue when this body is no
[6:44] longer serving it
[6:47] just like in a dream your body is not
[6:49] running away from the demon Chasing You
[6:52] In The Dream It's not having an orgasm
[6:54] from the sex event you're having in a
[6:55] Dream It's not participating in any of
[6:58] those things but you fully participate
[7:00] without the body that's another proof
[7:03] if you would look sensibly at it you see
[7:05] and break free of the reason but it's
[7:08] very hard to break through because a
[7:09] everybody else believes that even if
[7:11] they think oh yeah I have a form of life
[7:13] I was Cleopatra I'm Elizabeth Taylor but
[7:16] I was Cleopatra that's why I got the
[7:18] role
[7:19] in the future I'll be another one and
[7:21] then whatever it's just ridiculous well
[7:23] you know I have no problem
[7:25] believing in the continuity of of the
[7:28] body deteriorating and becoming part of
[7:30] the earth and even the Mind energy the
[7:32] energy of Life Force could be but I will
[7:35] not be there anymore I won't know but I
[7:38] will be that what is that I'm enjoying
[7:41] myself too much here Bob I don't want to
[7:43] have to
[7:46] scared of it as you should be in a
[7:50] proper Prudential way you don't need to
[7:51] be scared of it because some sadistic
[7:53] God is going to throw you someplace
[7:56] horrible because you did something wrong
[7:58] or you didn't belong to something they
[8:00] want you were born to that's a fake
[8:02] thing based on sadistic rulers and
[8:04] sadistic High priests over the centuries
[8:06] Who convinced people that God it's just
[8:08] like them and they're for intimidated
[8:10] them you can have plenty of fun so
[8:13] therefore you you're quite capable
[8:15] without being crippled in Terror and
[8:16] having no fun of planning for next year
[8:19] or next year or next year even though
[8:20] you might pass away before that out of
[8:23] this body but we still will we
[8:25] providentially and prudentially take
[8:27] care of things and still have fun
[8:30] so the idea that you can live in such a
[8:33] way as to book your a good room book a
[8:36] good mom book a good Species book a good
[8:40] planet in the future
[8:42] is not mutually mutually you know
[8:45] inconsistent we can still have fun and
[8:48] still be responsible to our
[8:50] interconnectedness to the world through
[8:52] space and time instead of pretending
[8:55] that nothing is something and pretending
[8:57] it to ourselves because we really know
[8:59] it's not true because everybody
[9:01] subliminally knows any everything
[9:03] they've ever experienced is continuity
[9:07] and continuity therefore is the default
[9:11] reality from Buddha's point of view his
[9:13] Discovery is that every sentient being
[9:16] including cockroach
[9:18] is the one
[9:21] they all have the ability to be aware
[9:23] completely aware of the reality of
[9:25] themselves and their environment
[9:28] but the human among them is the most
[9:31] capable of being aware of that for two
[9:34] for two obscenely opposite reasons one
[9:38] because the human has much more
[9:40] self-reflection and language like the
[9:43] lower animals the beasts that we let's
[9:45] call them the beasts and then the beings
[9:47] even worse than the of them
[9:50] um have so the human being can become
[9:52] self-aware in a different to a different
[9:54] degree as well as many angels and gods
[9:58] that exist that are higher than human
[9:59] and have a greater intelligence but are
[10:03] more complacent because they're in an
[10:06] environment that doesn't they're not
[10:08] they don't feel vulnerable and they
[10:10] think they might stay there forever
[10:11] actually because they have very long
[10:13] lives whereas the human dies every
[10:15] hundred years and they are very
[10:18] vulnerable and yet they have that Divine
[10:20] intelligence so so they they can really
[10:23] use this life to really try to
[10:26] understand themselves so it's the most
[10:28] advantageous evolutionary movement that
[10:31] we get and we have to earn if we fall
[10:34] below it below it and we have to be
[10:36] self-aware in a different within gods
[10:39] and Angels usually are which is realize
[10:41] that we won't be there forever and that
[10:43] we better really widen our scope and
[10:47] become more and find the deepest layer
[10:49] of bliss possible not any surface
[10:51] Heavenly layer and uh and so we all have
[10:55] that you have that I have that and our
[10:58] dogs and cats have that and uh also
[11:01] there's beings that we don't even
[11:02] believe in in a materialist Society who
[11:04] have that and um and that's Buddha's
[11:07] Discovery and
[11:09] um he doesn't ask that he believed with
[11:12] any kind of Blind Faith what he does is
[11:15] he provides a curriculum
[11:17] uh for us to find out little bits of
[11:21] this bit by bit by revising our
[11:24] interpretations of what life is and what
[11:27] we are and he does it on a planet where
[11:30] human societies have been organized for
[11:33] thousands of years to intimidate the
[11:36] individual members of the society and
[11:38] frighten them into suppressing their
[11:41] natural intelligence and they've been
[11:43] taught all kinds of Legends and myths
[11:45] and especially whatever it takes that
[11:48] they are willing to be obedient to
[11:51] oppressive Chief or chief and oppressive
[11:55] high priest who legit or Shaman who
[11:57] legitimizes the Warchief and between the
[12:00] two of them they pretend that there's a
[12:02] God or some sort of authority above them
[12:06] that tells them what to do and gives
[12:09] them absolute power over you and your
[12:12] mind and they pretend that they're
[12:14] Legends and myths are reality and you
[12:17] have to play believe them what we've
[12:18] learned we have to question so Buddha's
[12:21] whole thing was the original skeptical
[12:22] questioning of what it rather than
[12:25] indoctrinating you in something Buddha
[12:27] has no Doctrine for you actually
[12:29] he was the ultimate Socrates but the
[12:31] point is Socrates is like Buddha not
[12:34] really brainwashing you but saying to
[12:36] you you have the intelligence to
[12:38] understand yourself if you really use it
[12:40] but we don't know that we're enlightened
[12:43] actually that's the problem so in fact
[12:45] we are imprisoned in a cage of
[12:47] misknowing
[12:48] not merely ignorance which is which is a
[12:52] passive but it's misknowing I think I
[12:56] know who I am I think I know what's
[12:58] going to happen when I die which is
[13:00] nothing I think there even I insanely
[13:02] think there is such a thing as nothing
[13:05] the nothing thing the nothing something
[13:08] which is because I think that my
[13:11] Concepts correspond to reality that
[13:13] they're given by reality so therefore
[13:15] since the wall seems to be over there
[13:17] and then I have a word of all in my mind
[13:19] and a concept of a wall if the word
[13:22] nothing is out there there must be a
[13:23] thing it's just nothing at all thank
[13:25] goodness I'm gonna go there which is
[13:27] what we all because we do seek
[13:28] anesthetic when we have pain
[13:30] We're Not Afraid Of It We crave it when
[13:33] we have pain we want anesthesia so
[13:35] therefore it was an easy sale for the
[13:37] enlightenment people
[13:39] but it's very damaging because it
[13:42] cripples you from achieving your full
[13:44] Enlightenment that you naturally could
[13:46] have having chosen the human rebirth
[13:50] yourself which was not an obvious choice
[13:52] when you were a grown up saying Isle
[13:54] crocodile it was not obvious for you
[13:57] that you wanted to be amritat and watch
[14:00] Netflix and make podcasts
[14:03] that'd be Mrs armoredat's mom's precious
[14:07] baby it was not obvious that that was
[14:09] the best thing for for a dying crocodile
[14:11] to be rather you would rather be a
[14:13] monster crocodile in the next life and
[14:16] then you didn't mind being born in an
[14:17] egg
[14:18] you know that would be the normal thing
[14:20] so what made you think when you were
[14:22] beings like crocodiles what made us
[14:24] think me too and we would like to be
[14:26] human like we like to be born in New
[14:28] York we'd like to live in Malaysia we'd
[14:30] like to live in Woodstock what made us
[14:32] think that I totally loved your book I
[14:35] just finished it yesterday I couldn't
[14:37] have imagined about how we can all
[14:41] obtain this state which is called
[14:44] Enlightenment or Nirvana and I must tell
[14:47] you my whole life pretty much ever since
[14:49] I read Siddhartha about 17 years old
[14:52] I've tried to understand what is
[14:54] Enlightenment and I'm I've never seen a
[14:58] better explanation explanations as you
[15:01] did in your book you know one thing I'm
[15:03] trying to say I'm so grateful for your
[15:05] praise and I'm really pleased by but not
[15:08] because I'm I'm not pretending that I
[15:10] fully understand what I'm writing I want
[15:12] you to know that I didn't understand it
[15:15] all either I'm glad you didn't wait but
[15:17] what it does and nagarjuna did some type
[15:20] of does and actually I do really think
[15:22] his holiness
[15:23] although he might deny it but as a good
[15:27] example but but I think it does but and
[15:29] I've had some older gurus who of his and
[15:32] mine who I think did and I think I'm
[15:35] very close actually but I'm still don't
[15:37] I'm an idiot still actually but you know
[15:40] what when I
[15:42] because I'm befriend I've had such lucky
[15:44] relationships with those people that I
[15:47] just mentioned and because the texts of
[15:49] nagarjuna and Company and and my Ashanti
[15:52] Deva and these wonderful people because
[15:55] they what they taught is like with this
[15:58] like wisdom is bliss but it's in these
[16:00] languages that we don't know and that
[16:02] many great Zen people and nice people
[16:04] have talked but also truly well and I'm
[16:07] sure are more enlightened to me but they
[16:09] didn't know the language they didn't see
[16:11] it interacting with the English in a
[16:13] certain way they didn't you know they
[16:15] prepared the way where someone could
[16:17] follow with bliss and someone of your
[16:20] intelligence and your background and
[16:22] loving our one Hindu or I could even
[16:25] dare say hinduju saint ramdas
[16:30] because you're his follower and he is a
[16:32] true Saint who was an uptight Harvard
[16:35] Professor prick before that but he
[16:38] actually became a saint thanks to nimkar
[16:40] Alibaba who's a Buddha himself
[16:43] even understand it I'm sure it doesn't
[16:46] have to be a Buddhist to be enlightened
[16:47] no by no means and so so but when I talk
[16:52] about it therefore because of the
[16:54] sources
[16:55] I actually seem to understand it to
[16:58] myself and it comes out in a way that
[17:00] another person who really tries to do it
[17:03] can understand it and all I want about
[17:05] us to get to get to it's very to really
[17:08] shift and to become fully critical of
[17:10] our own brainwashing of all the things
[17:12] that we wrongly still do believe like
[17:15] that death will just be the end and so
[17:17] that's the last of our problems you know
[17:19] which is a fake puts us into fake
[17:21] recklessness but to to Really to really
[17:24] do the but when we get into the flow of
[17:27] it it holds us in a in a situation where
[17:31] we can imagine
[17:33] being truly Blissful and then the little
[17:36] bit of bliss we get by loving any one
[17:38] thing in it
[17:40] is already touching our inner Bliss you
[17:43] know there's a there's a bodhisattva
[17:45] Buddha bodhisattva called manjushri I
[17:47] think I mentioned him there I salute him
[17:50] but I just read something somewhere in
[17:52] an advanced book that I'm trying to
[17:54] finish translating that the Manju means
[17:57] gentle man Jewel
[17:59] means gentle I think it's very
[18:02] auspicious that the second syllable is
[18:04] you
[18:05] I do honestly and totally do consider
[18:08] that gentleness of those wonderfully
[18:11] intelligent educated people throughout
[18:13] our world is wonderful so anyway Manju
[18:17] and Manju means the soul
[18:19] the deepest Soul wherein we know
[18:23] the beauty of the universe and we love
[18:25] it and we're one with it and then SRI
[18:28] which means Glory by itself that
[18:31] syllable
[18:32] the SRI means the clear light of the
[18:34] Void
[18:35] which means that the void the seeming
[18:39] nothingness that happens when you look
[18:40] for something and don't find it and you
[18:42] might say oh I found nothing
[18:44] because actually you didn't find nothing
[18:46] what you found was everything else
[18:49] because when you don't find something
[18:50] like you look in a room for an elephant
[18:52] you don't find the elephant and you you
[18:53] end up seeing everything in the room
[18:55] because you're searching it
[18:57] so actually that's what the clear light
[19:00] is it's called it's the infinite energy
[19:02] which is the bed of life which is the
[19:06] life force and people some people
[19:08] personify it and call it God some people
[19:10] don't personify it they call it wisdom
[19:12] compassion indivisible so they call it
[19:15] clear light that's what Buddha called it
[19:17] in his most advanced teachings some
[19:19] people say he called it Nirvana and his
[19:21] most less Advanced teachings because
[19:23] it's the nature of this here without it
[19:25] all disappearing it's all
[19:28] good
[19:29] Ness
[19:31] all together good
[19:34] and that's all I want people to switch
[19:37] around and then when they know their
[19:39] wisdom is bliss and not ignorance
[19:41] they'll learn more and they'll try to be
[19:43] more realistic and when they do that
[19:45] they'll be more free and they won't be
[19:48] free in the sick libertarian kind of
[19:50] sense of free to harm everybody else
[19:52] they will be free to love everybody else
[19:55] and they'll enjoy it then you know
[19:57] they'll be like Gene Kelly
[19:59] dancing in the rain because he's in love
[20:02] so he doesn't mind getting wet I'm so
[20:05] grateful to you honestly so grateful to
[20:08] you for having uh having done that book
[20:11] but not that I could understand it don't
[20:14] get me wrong I honestly the Christian is
[20:17] bliss here's my main point in that book
[20:20] that's what I want to get to yes please
[20:22] blizz means that if you know what you
[20:26] really are you'll be blissful
[20:28] and it's the opposite of ignorance is
[20:30] bliss if you just follow the the idiot
[20:33] leaders who are filling you with
[20:34] irrational nonsense until you follow me
[20:37] because obedience is a big important
[20:40] virtue if you did that then you will be
[20:44] Blissful and it's like you'll fall in
[20:46] love with the universe if you really
[20:48] know what it is
[20:49] it's like if the people who live on this
[20:51] planet now the elite which you could say
[20:54] a mere is a hundred thousand people
[20:57] probably let's just give a rough figure
[20:58] a hundred thousand people on this planet
[21:01] who some of them a few thousand of them
[21:03] go to Davos
[21:05] and a few thousand of them don't bother
[21:07] and they stay home in their bank and in
[21:10] their their gated in mentioned and you
[21:13] know in community Mansion whatever it is
[21:15] and go to a tax-free State like Florida
[21:17] and so on you know but there's a hundred
[21:20] thousand of them and they are in love
[21:23] with wealth
[21:24] and they're not going to be budget from
[21:27] their building up their numbers even
[21:30] though they can only span the small
[21:31] portion of it and the rest of it they
[21:33] only have to worry about but that group
[21:35] of people if they really were in love
[21:38] with the Earth not just their own lawn
[21:41] their own three you know 35
[21:44] 000 square foot house you know we're
[21:46] filled with people who are taking Prozac
[21:49] is there having to get along with a
[21:51] workaholic or something a money holic if
[21:55] those hundred thousand people fell in
[21:56] love with the whole Earth every Wetland
[21:59] every platypus every weird person you
[22:03] know they decided they loved all of it
[22:06] because it was so beautiful
[22:09] they would immediately stop damaging it
[22:11] and they would stop damaging themselves
[22:13] by by Walling themselves off from your
[22:17] pleasurable social interaction with more
[22:20] than a few chosen people who are mostly
[22:23] sick of fans probably and who don't
[22:25] really like them because they're so
[22:27] oppressive and they're so unhappy
[22:29] themselves and that's a fact so wisdom
[22:33] is bliss and the reason that these
[22:34] people are like that is that they are
[22:36] taught from birth
[22:37] that reality is scary
[22:40] that nature is read in tooth and Claw
[22:43] that every person who doesn't look like
[22:45] them who wants to devour them that if
[22:47] they're male maybe females want to
[22:49] really like domineer them if they're
[22:51] females they're right for their birthday
[22:52] rightly where the males probably want to
[22:55] just use them you know and and and
[22:57] they're really scared and then they if
[22:59] they're religious they think God hates
[23:01] them because they because they're too
[23:03] rich or God hates them because they're
[23:05] too lucky or somebody's against them or
[23:07] maybe they think God likes them because
[23:08] they're rich and they can buy their way
[23:10] into heaven a few of them maybe but the
[23:12] point is whatever it is they're taught
[23:15] that they need someone else to protect
[23:16] them so they can hire a lot of people
[23:18] with the wealth that everybody else is
[23:20] against them so they hide and guard
[23:22] themselves off and put themselves in a
[23:24] boring place with their world that the
[23:26] Earth is no damn good whatever
[23:29] point is those people they're not in
[23:31] love with life they think ignorance is
[23:33] bliss they don't know about the people
[23:35] in homeless starving
[23:38] disease-ridden addicted people lying in
[23:40] the street outside wherever they're
[23:42] gated compound is they don't want to
[23:43] know they think ignorance is bliss
[23:46] so I'm saying wisdom is bliss if they
[23:49] really knew what it all was it would all
[23:51] be view be viewed as the most amazing
[23:55] thing life and they are among the most
[23:59] amazing people just somewhat deluded
[24:01] still and able to magnify that delusion
[24:04] because of the wealth to sort of hellish
[24:07] Heights and they're imprisoned in their
[24:10] golden cages and they're showing it they
[24:13] show it by what do they want when they
[24:14] have hundreds of billions they want to
[24:16] go to [ __ ] Mars excuse my language
[24:18] they want to go to Mars why is it that
[24:21] so many people uh are already have that
[24:26] potential for enlightenment but so many
[24:27] few people ever actually reach
[24:30] Enlightenment well hey this is this I
[24:33] know this question my my first book on
[24:36] this popular genre
[24:38] was called inner Revolution
[24:40] and in that I spoke about a cool
[24:43] Revolution which was Buddha's Revolution
[24:45] which was not hot in other words it
[24:47] wasn't just changing the rulers in an
[24:49] authoritarian nasty place it was
[24:51] changing the people in their heart to
[24:54] make their own Hearts not nasty you know
[24:57] and that's a cool Revolution that's an
[24:59] educational Revolution you know it's a
[25:01] thing like that whereas all the cool
[25:03] heroes where are they what do you mean
[25:05] this has been happening for thousands of
[25:07] years well where are they we have one or
[25:09] two of saints here and there but like
[25:11] forget it everybody is doggy dog so
[25:14] that's BSU and I was almost stuck and
[25:16] then
[25:17] what came in my mind and that it was a
[25:19] talk show sort of thing because I
[25:21] actually in those days you could promote
[25:23] a book with a tour
[25:25] and uh and uh and then a picture came in
[25:29] my mind of a family squabble and uh and
[25:32] I realized who's in the middle of the
[25:34] wrestling trying to cool the stupid hot
[25:36] tempers down
[25:38] of which I grew up with a very hot
[25:40] contemporary
[25:41] older brother
[25:43] and it was there was a woman in there
[25:45] there was a mom or there was a sister
[25:48] and they were like no no you didn't
[25:50] really mean that no no only you don't
[25:52] want to do that no you don't want to hit
[25:53] each other no no no stop this and then
[25:56] getting blows in the middle
[25:58] and stopping it
[26:00] and who's the glue that has held every
[26:02] family together in the middle of this
[26:04] militarized authoritarian eyes emotional
[26:07] plague ridden cultures that we've grown
[26:10] up in
[26:11] the women but
[26:13] in general the women
[26:16] we're cool in a crisis situation their
[26:20] brain the neuroscientists tell us emits
[26:23] neural oxytocin
[26:25] and they get they look for allies they
[26:28] look around and see if there's some
[26:29] Alternatives they look for options
[26:32] the male in that same situation simply
[26:34] blows up and charges straight ahead and
[26:36] Smash down whatever seems to be in front
[26:38] of them including someone they actually
[26:40] love when they're calm
[26:42] for example often and so
[26:45] what is Enlightenment Enlightenment we
[26:47] see we're wrong to have the idea that
[26:49] Enlightenment is some sort of Genius who
[26:51] can talk a lot
[26:52] whereas really Enlightenment is kindness
[26:54] a person who's kind so so my point is
[26:59] if you realize that Enlightenment is
[27:02] Compassionate Care love kindness and
[27:06] then you realize that you feel good when
[27:08] you are kind
[27:09] and you feel maybe sometimes you're
[27:11] taken advantage of when you're kind and
[27:12] compassionate and other other
[27:14] considering an altruistic you do feel
[27:18] good when you do it sometimes maybe
[27:19] you're taking advantage of and then you
[27:21] you reinterpret the whole experience as
[27:23] bad because somebody took advantage of
[27:25] you but actually you naturally feel good
[27:28] then you realize for you that
[27:29] Enlightenment is as Enlightenment does
[27:32] you know Buddha is as Buddha does and
[27:35] that soul that we have that Jesus saw
[27:38] that Buddha saw that the great
[27:40] upanishadic Masters saw that Confucius
[27:42] saw that laosu saw the Pythagoras saw
[27:45] that Socrates solids or Astra saw all in
[27:48] the middle of all these Empires and
[27:50] these big rulers and these people with
[27:52] the emotional plague violent people
[27:54] Roman Emperor Chinese Emperors and so on
[27:59] but still this the soul is there of the
[28:02] good soul of the of the sentient being
[28:04] who is a vessel of this infinite life
[28:08] of this wonderful energy that is is the
[28:11] life energy that is the more powerful
[28:13] energy the good energy that's more
[28:16] powerful than evil and selfishness and
[28:18] stupidity and limitation and is
[28:20] unbounded and it's in its in its reality
[28:24] and the the tiniest of it that we turn
[28:27] toward it we are illuminated to attend
[28:30] on the tiny bits Kimball said you know
[28:33] and that's why why do you love talking
[28:35] to people I'm a thought that you do
[28:37] wonderful podcasts and you try to lift
[28:40] people's thinking there's a livelihood
[28:42] component but you do it because you love
[28:45] talking to them people you may not know
[28:47] Amber taught the name
[28:49] comes from Amrita
[28:51] which is a Sanskrit word for deathless
[28:55] it literally means without death free of
[28:58] death
[28:59] and death free
[29:01] and what that me is is a word for put us
[29:05] Enlightenment he said in his final
[29:07] moment that when he in the great moment
[29:09] he achieved Enlightenment he said I have
[29:11] found
[29:12] an experience I have experience a
[29:14] reality that is like a deathless Elixir
[29:21] like just like America's name like a
[29:24] deathless elixir
[29:26] and it is it is profound
[29:28] it is it is peaceful it is uncomplicated
[29:33] it is unelabra rather unelaborated
[29:36] perhaps you see it is clear light
[29:40] it is transparent that means
[29:42] transparency and it is uncreated meaning
[29:46] it's always been that way like a
[29:50] deathless Elixir is the reality I have
[29:53] discovered I have experienced I have
[29:56] found that's what he said then he said
[29:58] whoever I teach it to they might not
[30:01] understand it so I'm going to stay by
[30:03] myself here in the garden of the forest
[30:06] and remain silent he said that he made
[30:10] that expression of
[30:11] non-dogmatic diffidence afterwards but
[30:15] because in a way what he's saying by
[30:17] doing that is is putting the
[30:19] responsibility back on all of us
[30:21] but it is we cannot simply pick up on
[30:24] some formula or some Credo or some
[30:26] Mantra and that will cause us to be
[30:29] enlightened we cannot expect it from the
[30:31] outside we have it in the side and
[30:35] therefore even with his silence seeing
[30:37] us like that he is faithful he has the
[30:40] faith he has the confidence he sees us
[30:42] as reaching our own enlightenment
[30:45] so it's not only that here but if any
[30:47] wants to avoid dogma and he wants to
[30:49] avoid absolutizing whatever he might say
[30:51] so that we will think about it carefully
[30:54] and use it ourselves rather than think
[30:56] of it as some absolute Dogma because one
[30:59] of all our human problems since it is
[31:01] highly evolved being that's a human
[31:03] is that we are
[31:05] indoctrinated and brainwashed and and
[31:08] suppressed or in our intelligence our
[31:11] natural intelligence which is perfectly
[31:13] suited to understand reality thoroughly
[31:16] ourselves but we're suppressed it's
[31:18] dampened down we're like a horse with
[31:21] blinders on it we're dampened down for
[31:24] us not to be able to see so why should
[31:26] we meditate
[31:28] so the point is when you meditate to not
[31:32] be there
[31:33] you are you are actually simply
[31:37] realizing the psychotic culture that we
[31:41] live in where we're not you have no
[31:44] value as an individual you're basically
[31:46] nothing and you'll think oh I'm in a I'm
[31:49] just space
[31:50] and then you'll talk about you like
[31:52] there are Zen people who run around and
[31:53] say oh yeah you get really spaced out
[31:55] that's the whole big thing it should be
[31:57] spaced out that's Enlightenment and that
[31:59] is not enlightenment that's a trap
[32:02] actually that's a psychotic trap and
[32:05] it's also thinking that a psychotic trap
[32:07] is nirvana so my teacher did what honest
[32:10] Buddhist teachers always do
[32:12] in in Buddhist cultures is they don't
[32:15] let you meditate right away actually if
[32:18] you come say I want to meditate to the
[32:19] guruji olamaji roshuji they say no you
[32:22] can't meditate you first go read a few
[32:24] sutras you first read of some formal
[32:27] life stories of the Buddha you first get
[32:29] like connected to your family Descartes
[32:32] calls it meditating as meditations
[32:35] the analytic thinking and he reached to
[32:38] Buddhist point where he couldn't find
[32:39] himself but but then he at least
[32:42] resuscitated his thinking said well as
[32:44] long as I keep thinking I'm here
[32:46] but he didn't because he didn't have a
[32:49] zen master to help him further to be
[32:51] both simultaneously there and not there
[32:54] which is Enlightenment so in other words
[32:55] we're capable of understanding ourselves
[32:57] and the world and that we were totally
[32:59] interconnected
[33:01] a bit of the life force infinitely
[33:04] interconnected with everyone else
[33:05] ultimately the same as all of them we're
[33:08] all one my first teacher anytime I
[33:11] started slipping out of my body when I
[33:13] first started meditating really strongly
[33:14] he would show up if it was three in the
[33:17] morning and behind a tree in the garden
[33:19] he'd be pretending you couldn't sleep
[33:21] and walk the dog and accidentally
[33:23] discovered me but actually it was
[33:25] Clairvoyant and knew where my mind was
[33:26] and I was slipping out of body
[33:29] and then you can get in the state do a
[33:31] dualistic state where you becomes like
[33:33] your Prozac you're meditating you go off
[33:36] and you just you anesthetize yourself in
[33:38] a way which doesn't improve how you have
[33:40] to come back and relate because it
[33:41] doesn't change the underlying pattern
[33:44] you could only change down the lighting
[33:45] pattern by going in with pattern on
[33:47] weaving and relief
[33:49] and you have to do that right away then
[33:52] you learn to do that and then when you
[33:54] use meditation to do that it's more
[33:55] powerful and then that's useful
[33:57] meditation that becomes realization but
[34:00] before that meditation becomes simply
[34:02] deepening wherever you are at
[34:04] and where you are at when you're filled
[34:07] with misk knowing and it completely has
[34:09] shielded your inner Buddha nature soul
[34:12] you're not usually going to do that but
[34:14] when you redefine Enlightenment as a
[34:16] beneficial loving interconnectedness
[34:18] rather than just a bright light bulb
[34:20] going off and being a junior Einstein
[34:22] but you redo that then you realize there
[34:24] are lots of cool heroes and even I'm
[34:27] enlightened when I'm nice have you met
[34:29] have you actually met people that have
[34:31] you met people that you would say were
[34:34] enlightened beings in your life
[34:37] but you know I met my vision is fallible
[34:40] because I'm not perfectly enlightened
[34:42] myself
[34:43] I mean nothing like you I think I've
[34:45] recognized by now I didn't always
[34:48] and actually my one of my first and most
[34:50] amazing gurus or llamas to Mongolian guy
[34:53] who was a Layman by the way
[34:55] but he wasn't among although he he tried
[34:59] to create a monastery
[35:01] and and because people do need that he
[35:03] refused to be my Guru
[35:06] and I said of course you were my girl
[35:07] and you even know when I'm meditating
[35:09] the wrong way and you interrupt me from
[35:11] when I'm far away now I don't know let's
[35:13] see here what they say but I I'm not
[35:15] your Guru he said
[35:16] I'm just your friend he said I said well
[35:20] yeah that's okay and B he said if I was
[35:24] your Guru when I tell you something
[35:26] about yourself that you don't like and
[35:28] you become angry with me that's a big
[35:30] sin for you
[35:32] so therefore I'm just your friend and
[35:34] yeah you can lose your temper at your
[35:36] friend nowadays then you might
[35:37] reconsider your friend's advice later
[35:39] and I've heard you say or someone say
[35:41] that the Dalai Lama was also your friend
[35:44] he is my girl yes well he is when he's
[35:48] being a guru
[35:49] so for years
[35:51] and I maybe it is all the time now I
[35:53] have to say almost I think when I
[35:54] finally maybe because I'm getting a
[35:56] little close maybe it'll only be the
[35:58] moment of death and I won't go into
[36:00] regular Bardo I'll go into the clear
[36:02] light or something maybe I don't know
[36:04] I'm getting close and maybe when I
[36:06] really see Dalai Lama as Buddha
[36:09] I will I'll finally
[36:12] reach where I think I can maybe claim a
[36:15] little something if it's useful in a
[36:17] particular context what you said in your
[36:19] book
[36:20] um yeah
[36:22] operation prize yes
[36:24] and what you what you said in your book
[36:26] was that you don't uh think you're yet
[36:30] enlightened you're a work in progress
[36:32] huh yeah and yet you describe all of
[36:36] these inner experiences like
[36:41] where do you get that experience to talk
[36:44] about these things if you haven't
[36:46] yourself touched Enlightenment at least
[36:48] for a moment as an Enlightenment a
[36:51] permanent thing or does it come and go
[36:52] it is permanent
[36:54] it's totally good but it interacts with
[36:58] the impermanent totally 100 does not
[37:01] abandon the impermanent in any way
[37:03] and that's why I said to be
[37:05] inexpressible because permanent
[37:07] impermanent is a dualism
[37:09] and you can't be what you have to be
[37:11] only one or another in a dualistic
[37:12] linguistic and cons and and structured
[37:16] conceptual world world of interrelated
[37:21] they're conceptually interrelated so
[37:23] those are two opposite things but
[37:25] Enlightenment is holding you know who
[37:27] said so
[37:29] um
[37:30] um F Scott Fitzgerald did you know that
[37:33] he once said it's so wonderful this is
[37:35] what I'm saying Curtis white I'm
[37:37] promoting him he says but you know
[37:40] Transcendent that book is so great he
[37:42] says that the sign of a great mind and I
[37:45] mean maybe he didn't know about Buddha
[37:47] and didn't think he was mentioning a
[37:48] great Mind by being a Buddha is a great
[37:50] mind it's a title for someone with a
[37:52] great mind Einstein was a kind of Buddha
[37:54] I definitely think
[37:56] but he says the sign of a great mind is
[37:57] the ability to hold two opposing things
[38:00] in mind at the same time
[38:02] without collapsing to either one and
[38:05] without being destroyed in between
[38:09] so something that you shouldn't be able
[38:10] to do in other words is saying so that's
[38:13] something impossible but then Scott
[38:16] Fitzgerald The Great Gatsby writer he
[38:19] said that's his definition of a great
[38:21] mind
[38:22] so that is in that's the Buddha's
[38:24] definition where he said that
[38:27] Enlightenment and man which is the
[38:29] knowing of reality and therefore reality
[38:32] itself is ultimately inexpressible
[38:35] it's because it's more than any kind of
[38:38] dualistic thing can say good or bad but
[38:40] this and that it isn't that therefore
[38:42] there is no bad or good is that those
[38:45] things are there but what in reality is
[38:48] deeper than those things
[38:50] and actually it's all good
[38:52] he says so even the bad it is transmuted
[38:56] into good
[38:57] and by reality
[38:59] and so there so it's all good
[39:02] so in the book I give the consolation
[39:04] prize
[39:05] to myself I'm gonna end there but but uh
[39:09] go ahead and tell us about your
[39:12] consolation problems you tell me but
[39:15] what it is is uh some some point where
[39:18] you feel you have to be you have to
[39:21] actually remember you have to you have
[39:23] to find such a bliss
[39:26] that not that you then are a numb to
[39:29] pain
[39:30] kind of bliss where you can feel pain
[39:33] but the Bliss outweighs it
[39:36] why because which which is again should
[39:40] be impossible but we all know you've
[39:43] been in sublist state yourself you I'm a
[39:46] touch I know you have you've been a
[39:48] you're a follower of ramadas so you have
[39:51] been in a bliss state where you could
[39:53] ignore a pain that you were still aware
[39:56] of so you know that's possible so
[39:59] therefore by by building on that as an
[40:02] analogy that it's that even that analogy
[40:05] will not capture
[40:06] a Buddha is a being who is completely in
[40:09] Bliss permanent
[40:11] and simultaneously a hundred percent
[40:13] empathetic with all suffering beings
[40:16] they say a Buddha is even a simplistic
[40:19] level of Buddhism they say a Buddha is
[40:21] like a mother who considers every being
[40:24] as if it she or he is her only beloved
[40:29] child but he couldn't it wouldn't be
[40:31] possible if there wasn't an underlying
[40:34] Bliss that it seems to be that it's all
[40:37] made out that you see simultaneously so
[40:40] anyway but the point is therefore when
[40:42] you reach that in the ordinary Buddha
[40:45] story remember Buddha remembers infinite
[40:47] previous lives
[40:49] so his way of becoming infinite is that
[40:51] his Bliss is his awareness that spreads
[40:54] everywhere Beyond his body and in all
[40:56] the other bodies of all the other beings
[40:58] that both he was himself and then second
[41:01] one is all other beings all their
[41:03] previous lives and all the Futures I see
[41:06] it well enough now
[41:08] to know that to feel I deeply know
[41:12] that I will reach
[41:14] Enlightenment in some life
[41:16] I don't know when and I hope it's very
[41:19] soon because we need a wide wave of it
[41:22] on this planet right now so those
[41:25] hundred and fifty thousand people who
[41:27] really could flip all the switches and
[41:29] give Greta back her future
[41:32] a little bit less damage it's already
[41:33] damaged but they should they could give
[41:35] it back less will really decide to fall
[41:38] in love with Greta to fall in love with
[41:41] the planet itself to fall in love truly
[41:43] with themselves and be really proud of
[41:46] themselves and make the sacrifices
[41:48] necessary
[41:50] to change everything right now in this
[41:53] decade right away not half by the 2015
[41:57] and all this [ __ ] that they're
[41:58] selling knowing full well they'll be
[42:00] dead and the residing on MIT telling
[42:03] them they'll be really anesthetized
[42:06] nonsense they know full well they are
[42:09] sensitive and they'll remain sensitive
[42:11] and the universe is sensitive and they
[42:13] should therefore be kind to it so we
[42:15] need people to break through not just
[42:18] that's my question exactly you need a
[42:21] lot of people we do that we have to do
[42:23] that now
[42:24] we do we're going to do that now I have
[42:28] something I call have a plan
[42:30] for it but I don't know I don't doubt
[42:32] I'd like to do it in this life but it
[42:34] will happen somebody else will do it I
[42:37] call it
[42:38] the bright money campaign
[42:41] not the dark money campaign it's a
[42:44] bright money campaign we are under the
[42:45] control of the dark money now
[42:48] it's dark it's like a black cold black
[42:50] oil you know and it's black carbon that
[42:54] burning carbon goes in the air you know
[42:55] that's the dark money they bought all
[42:57] the governments they subsidized the car
[43:01] the the petroleum
[43:03] industry
[43:05] 500 billion dollars a year yeah they get
[43:10] subsidized before they sell us the
[43:14] products
[43:15] for many hundreds of billions maybe
[43:17] trillions
[43:18] but before they sell us that they are
[43:21] subsidized 500 billion which gives them
[43:24] enough money
[43:25] to buy all the governments to ensure
[43:27] that that subsidy continues and or
[43:29] increases
[43:30] isn't it obvious so we're we are the
[43:34] people of the world by being confused
[43:37] are committing suicide
[43:39] through the Agents of that or these
[43:42] these 150 000 people
[43:45] 100 000 people or whatever I don't know
[43:47] the exact number
[43:48] but they own all the governments
[43:51] the other people are more much more
[43:53] numerous than them or eight billion of
[43:55] us if we would shift it around
[43:58] and we would he he calculated that if we
[44:01] spend
[44:02] 1.5 trillion which is only three times
[44:05] as much as that subsidy
[44:07] on mitigation
[44:09] and transfer and you know you know
[44:12] Renewables and even clean nukes there
[44:16] are such a thing as small-scale cleanish
[44:17] nukes
[44:19] you know there doesn't all have to be
[44:21] you know they're just everything is
[44:22] complicated there's all you know and I
[44:25] won't get into that but we could easily
[44:27] switch it and there's another guy Kim
[44:30] Stanley Robinson who I love to promote
[44:32] who is a science fiction writer and he
[44:35] wrote a great book called the ministry
[44:37] for the future
[44:38] and in that he has the world and it was
[44:41] a Sci-Fi doing what I'm talking about in
[44:44] the 2040s or trying to do it I won't
[44:48] give away it's a novel so it has
[44:50] suspense and it's difficult and you know
[44:52] trying to do this making this shift in
[44:55] the 2040s when things have become so
[44:57] much more catastrophic so my I my plan
[45:00] is to break money one which is uh
[45:01] creating a Ministry for the future now
[45:04] and not just one billion or 10 billion
[45:06] or maybe 100 or something a lot of money
[45:09] and making the Inconvenient Truth
[45:12] available in Swahili
[45:15] in Hebrew in Persian in Arabic and in
[45:19] Hindi in Telugu in Tamil in Bengali in
[45:23] Gujarati in Chinese in Japanese in
[45:27] Korean in Russian in every language and
[45:30] I'm working on another movie actually
[45:32] which I'm calling I'm calling sunflower
[45:36] which will take
[45:39] and try to get the great wisdom in the
[45:42] world out at the moment that people
[45:44] don't believe that conscious media could
[45:46] sell so I haven't been able to get the
[45:48] funding but I will yeah you see and
[45:51] right money campaign the ministry from
[45:54] the Future Would fund a thousand movies
[45:58] like that right now with a really
[46:01] handsome budget with a with also AI
[46:03] industrial Light and Magic special
[46:05] effects to make the points the
[46:08] quantifications and the points and the
[46:10] and the ways in which the growth can be
[46:12] resuscitated from this and that the
[46:14] sunflower movie I want to be in it I
[46:16] want to see it I want to show it I want
[46:18] you to get funding let's do it I want to
[46:20] talk about how you ended your book it
[46:22] was just so so beautiful you said I can
[46:25] be profoundly certain that I will also
[46:28] become such a Buddha experiencing such a
[46:31] Nirvana
[46:33] effortlessly bring other beings into
[46:36] their own Blissful awareness of being uh
[46:39] really I I urge everyone to read it it's
[46:42] the most amazing thing that I have seen
[46:46] on explaining uh what are the stages of
[46:50] Nirvana what are the stages that you go
[46:53] through to follow Buddha's teachings to
[46:56] get there is there is there anything
[46:57] else that would like to add why don't I
[47:01] add it in the form of a meditation
[47:03] [Music]
[47:09] so now your meditation is
[47:11] to switch the default sense that we have
[47:15] of reality
[47:17] from but reality is somehow frightening
[47:21] that it is somehow dangerous that nature
[47:24] is red in tooth and Claw and I think
[47:27] long fellows phrase that we're in a
[47:31] donkey dog darwinian world I think and
[47:33] what the scientists tell us
[47:35] that the religious people tell us that
[47:37] we're likely to be doomed to hell or
[47:40] some horrible State because we might
[47:41] have had some unvirtuous things and you
[47:45] know Jesus might come for us or might
[47:47] not we don't know or Buddha or Krishna
[47:50] or whoever it is that we might believe
[47:51] in
[47:52] so in general we are indoctrinated to
[47:56] believe
[47:56] that that we have to sort of secure our
[48:00] own perimeter if you will and close
[48:03] ourself off and drop into it now that is
[48:06] disconnected from future
[48:08] because it's dangerous for liars in the
[48:10] future you know so we're going to be
[48:12] meditating on the opposite of this
[48:15] we're going to imaginatively try for
[48:17] size
[48:18] thinking of reality as pure goodness
[48:22] what would it be like if we thought
[48:25] everything was good
[48:27] if we were like a child to see the
[48:30] universe as a giant breast with sweet
[48:32] milk
[48:34] vanilla flavored or mango flavored or
[48:38] whatever we think of as a delicious
[48:39] taste and the whole universe was just
[48:42] one big breath
[48:44] just for offering us elixir of
[48:47] immortality
[48:48] however you want to visualize it maybe
[48:50] start small
[48:52] visualizing yourself being on top of
[48:54] Mount Everest if you're a mountain
[48:56] climbing type without the trouble maybe
[48:58] you got up there by helicopter never
[49:00] mind visualize yourself being by the
[49:03] seashore in the most beautiful beach
[49:04] you've ever been to please realize
[49:07] yourself being in the most magnificent
[49:08] Palace or mansion that you can imagine
[49:10] or it's one of those amazing places in
[49:13] the Avatar movie where the with the
[49:15] luminescent light at night
[49:18] whatever you think of is the most
[49:19] beautiful place and what and your body
[49:22] is feeling
[49:24] the total Bliss imagine that your body
[49:26] feels really good
[49:28] you don't have to sit up in some harsh
[49:30] posture if you don't feel like that you
[49:32] could lie back and do this meditation or
[49:34] sit in the most comfortable chair anyway
[49:37] remember a time when you were maybe had
[49:39] an orgasm
[49:40] or you had the most delicious feast
[49:42] where you were really Blown Away by that
[49:45] Musa
[49:46] or that you had some wonderful warm
[49:51] hot spring baths or something I don't
[49:54] know it's this imaginable remember
[49:58] Supreme pleasure of what you consider
[50:00] the greatest moment of pleasure and
[50:02] imagine that that's sort of there
[50:04] you're having a dream about it
[50:07] and then by that way think of the whole
[50:09] universe is like that
[50:11] so so whatever visual thing you have to
[50:14] think of think of all the ones you've
[50:16] ever loved
[50:18] in life being here with you in sort of
[50:20] Obi-Wan Kenobi luminous bodies
[50:23] even they pass away even you they
[50:26] divorced you even they're separated from
[50:27] you even lost track of them all the
[50:30] people you've ever loved or liked who
[50:32] have loved and like you are all there
[50:35] with you
[50:36] so imagine whatever it is makes you feel
[50:38] really good
[50:40] all around you
[50:42] and being in the place that's the
[50:45] Supreme place that you would want to be
[50:47] and feeling in the Supreme way you want
[50:50] to feel
[50:51] completely held every breath it's like
[50:54] sipping the most delicious and most
[50:56] expensive Elixir you can think of
[51:03] delicious elixir of immortality being in
[51:08] a tube of light
[51:09] tunnel of freedom
[51:12] feeling completely one with everything
[51:14] around you and fearless
[51:34] but imagine this in a creative way
[51:37] find you maybe you're finding it
[51:39] difficult
[51:40] to hold your memory of the greatest
[51:43] orgasm to hold your memory of the
[51:46] greatest meal of the greatest massage of
[51:49] the greatest whatever ones
[51:53] skydive
[51:55] or you felt fully free or something
[51:59] and you cannot hold can't hold that in
[52:01] your mind
[52:02] had a voice within you that you think of
[52:04] as your thinking voice
[52:06] saying what this is nonsense reality is
[52:09] not safe it's dangerous there's all kind
[52:12] of rabid dogs out there there's all kind
[52:14] of like there's germs in miserable germs
[52:17] coming from the from the bats coven you
[52:21] know there's all kind of poisonous food
[52:23] if I could add food poisoning from
[52:25] thinking I'd eat some delicious thing
[52:27] you know your mind is talking like that
[52:29] to you
[52:30] I might maybe I'll die I have a stroke
[52:32] if I feel too good or something you'll
[52:35] feel if I didn't keep tight control of
[52:37] everything
[52:38] so there's voices talking to you like
[52:40] that and ask them
[52:41] then you can think you can meditate by
[52:44] being thinking too Descartes did you
[52:47] just start with the default feeling as
[52:49] good as you can
[52:51] and the default
[52:52] visual perception of being in the best
[52:54] place that you have
[52:56] and a false emotional feeling of being
[52:59] with the best people that you can be and
[53:01] people you never met but you idolize
[53:03] maybe some movie star maybe some Royal
[53:06] figure maybe some Olympic Athlete or and
[53:09] if they're all there with you in subtle
[53:12] body form
[53:13] [Music]
[53:14] and so you've tried to put all of your
[53:17] processes in the optimal mode what you
[53:20] also now are thinking as sharply as you
[53:24] can think you're thinking like Einstein
[53:27] doubting whatever
[53:29] and now doubt the dangers of these
[53:31] things
[53:32] doubt the reality what is death at your
[53:35] freedom what is it where you leave the
[53:37] body you leave the body every night when
[53:39] you fall asleep you go unconscious and
[53:41] you have a dream and then usually not
[53:43] that bad and then you wake up and you
[53:45] maybe feel more rested in the next day
[53:47] so whatever it was when you slept you
[53:50] weren't in nothing
[53:52] there was no nothing to be afraid of so
[53:56] defend your good feeling
[53:58] on the emotional sensual
[54:02] visual sensory
[54:05] and Consciousness levels
[54:08] defended with your thinking level
[54:11] by thinking critically
[54:13] and how you are indoctrinated to be
[54:15] afraid of God
[54:16] afraid Jesus won't come
[54:19] afraid of
[54:21] wild animals afraid of germs afraid of
[54:24] all the many things we're afraid of
[54:26] why should you be afraid of him
[54:28] you survived him
[54:30] you survive being unconscious every
[54:32] night
[54:34] survive being in a world with dangerous
[54:35] dictators
[54:37] who might not have
[54:39] actually Buddha says you've survived
[54:41] many previous lives
[54:43] and you now hear an Enlightenment
[54:46] so now imagine
[54:48] you're on the brink of becoming fully
[54:50] enlightened that is to say not just
[54:52] imagining that reality is good but he
[54:56] says coming to know that it's good
[54:59] omnisciently knowing that it's really
[55:02] really good
[55:04] so be in the moment of omniscience
[55:07] meditate that you are imagine that you
[55:09] are Buddha
[55:19] [Music]
[55:26] so I remember all previous lives so I
[55:29] have been every considerable kind of
[55:31] being
[55:33] and the second thing is once I know all
[55:35] my own previous lives to Infinity
[55:38] I can see that all other beings have
[55:40] been there with me in the infinite
[55:43] previous rise we've all been entangled
[55:46] infinitely
[55:48] in this vast ocean of energy that is the
[55:52] universe
[55:53] where there's no nothing
[55:55] but there's only something in infinitely
[56:00] therefore there's Infinite Energy
[56:02] it's infinite
[56:04] there's nothing undone in it
[56:06] we are part of its doneness
[56:09] in fact
[56:10] it's one with us it is us
[56:13] we are that energy we're a form of that
[56:16] energy
[56:17] that is conjured up by Miss knowing
[56:21] field of being separate from the larger
[56:23] field
[56:25] we somehow did that
[56:27] but now we're visualizing ourselves as
[56:29] one with it that's what we will be when
[56:32] we're a Buddha
[56:34] we will be that without being numb to
[56:36] any part of it
[56:38] so the Bliss we will feel of its of
[56:41] infinity will be so powerful
[56:44] that it can fully permeate
[56:47] every
[56:48] tortured feeling of finitude on the part
[56:52] of every being
[56:54] it can be fully empathetic
[56:56] feeling with every being every suffering
[56:59] of every being
[57:01] and yet it also
[57:03] simultaneously feels that being from
[57:06] within its own inner core
[57:08] has blissfully infinite tool
[57:11] only having
[57:14] shielded itself
[57:16] out of fear and misknowing and
[57:19] misunderstanding and misperceiving
[57:22] having shielded itself into not being
[57:25] part of everything
[57:26] not being one with everything
[57:31] so at that time though
[57:34] we realized that we and all the other
[57:36] beings in our infinite entanglement have
[57:38] always been one with this infinite
[57:41] energy which we call which the Buddhists
[57:45] call
[57:45] [Music]
[57:49] prabhaswara
[57:51] the clear light of openness
[57:56] [Music]
[57:58] the clear light of openness
[58:01] [Music]
[58:02] infinite energy which is not a white
[58:05] light
[58:06] it's got a dark light
[58:08] it's got a red light
[58:11] it's not a green light
[58:12] it's not a yellow light
[58:15] it's a transparent Crystal Light
[58:18] [Music]
[58:22] and now I return from this amazing
[58:25] imagined moment
[58:27] which is encompasses an infinite past
[58:31] towards an imagined moments that
[58:35] Encompass an infinite future
[58:38] since space time is also one thing but
[58:41] it will not be a moment disconnected
[58:43] from past and future
[58:44] which a materialist might think was a
[58:47] great salvation of being anesthetized
[58:49] but none to be numb to everything
[58:52] but no Bliss is not numbness Bliss is
[58:56] infinite Joy pleasure orgasmic
[58:59] expansion
[59:01] orgasmic surrender
[59:04] Delight
[59:06] and infinite because folding its way
[59:09] through infinite limitated Bas embracing
[59:14] them into the degree which they are
[59:16] capable of opening themselves emptiness
[59:21] best translation for it is openness
[59:23] [Music]
[59:30] and in your knowing it
[59:32] your confidence knowing their future
[59:35] moment when they will also know it
[59:38] so it all becomes a little bit playful
[59:43] perhaps
[59:44] and becomes a matter of artistry
[59:47] and the infinite energy becomes your
[59:50] palette
[59:51] and also your brush and also your canvas
[59:58] and you become a poet
[1:00:01] and an artist had a sculptor of worlds
[1:00:05] you don't create them
[1:00:07] we sculpt them to optimize
[1:00:09] the experience of the beings
[1:00:12] who can use them as always to infinite
[1:00:15] openness
[1:00:19] and Beyond The Duality
[1:00:22] finiteness and infiniteness
[1:00:26] finally
[1:00:28] Beyond The Duality of finally and
[1:00:30] initially
[1:00:31] beyond the ideology of being and nothing
[1:00:35] beyond all realities inexpressible in
[1:00:39] any word
[1:00:40] but knowable
[1:00:42] by every one of you
[1:00:45] in your deepest loving
[1:00:48] kind
[1:00:49] of creative heart
[1:00:51] [Music]
[1:00:54] and every little bit of lovingness and
[1:00:58] kindness
[1:00:59] and openness
[1:01:01] [Music]
[1:01:05] right now
[1:01:06] forever
[1:01:23] [Music]
[1:01:30] [Music]
[1:01:56] okay ding
[1:01:59] don't have my meditation bill
[1:02:01] and what's up okay
[1:02:04] thank you Bob this has been fascinating
[1:02:07] our time together
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[1:02:50] good night good morning to you wherever
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[1:02:57] um
[1:03:01] [Music]
[1:03:03] be blessed Shalom
[1:03:06] assalamu alaikum jairam om Namaste amen
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[1:03:20] [Music]
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